(Part 2 of 4)
We decided to sit down and have a chat with our practice owner and MD, Dr. Philip Oubre, and functional nutritionist, Aubree Steen.
We’re diving into another 4 part series. We’re diving into part 2 here, following with:
1. What your toxin bucket is and how it effects your daily life
2. How to test for toxins in the body (this video)
3. Foods that assist in detoxification
4. Supplementation/lifestyle/nutrition support for adrenals
Feel free to watch the video, or read our transcript below.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (00:44):
It’s Dr. Oubre and Aubree.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (00:49):
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (00:50):
We are or as we’ve been recently.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (00:53):
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (00:53):
Aubree Steen, FNTP (00:53):
I almost said that. Thanks, Nicole.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (00:57):
So, this month we’re talking about toxins and how they affect you and all that. And so specifically in this video, we want to talk about how to test for toxins. Because what’s fascinating about where we’re at in functional medicine now is that you can literally test for all the things that functional medicine providers have been saying for years, as far as candida and mercury and toxic overload and all these things. Now we’re at the point where if you think you have something, you can literally be tested for that something and prove, whether it’s there or not. Now every test has its limitations. So it’s not always perfect. But we want to talk about the most common toxins and how you can actually test for them to see if you have a problem. But there are specific ways to test for them in order to find it. And we want to help you and your provider dodge some of those pitfalls.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (01:39):
And we luckily have decided to take this on ourselves for the past couple of years in fail at testing properly and try new methods, right?
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (01:48):
Yes. Learn by failing.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (01:48):
And the most efficient way in the practice.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (01:50):
So, we know how not to do it.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (01:52):
Exactly, but actually we know how to do it.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (01:56):
Or at least we fake it on TV.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (01:57):
There we go.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (01:57):
So just to recap, we kind of said it in the last video, as far as how to avoid toxins and what those toxins are. We like to boil toxins down to four individual categories. They’re fairly broad categories, but that’s the basic. So the first one is biological toxins. We cannot emphasize this one enough, because this is the one that we actually can’t test for directly. You cannot see biological toxins. There’s no test for it. What you can test force the presence of bad bacteria and fungus and candida and mold and all those things. So biological toxins, we like to consider any pathogen that’s in the gut, making LPS are biological toxins there. You can actually test for LPS.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (02:34):
Yeah, you can.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (02:34):
Yes, but also mycoplasma in the lungs. Think about mold and biological things that can survive in the sinuses, maracanas for all of those things.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (02:43):
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (02:43):
Yes. So biological toxins, those are hard to test for it, but we’ll get there. That’s the first category. Number two is mold. So mold toxins specifically. So mold is a living growing organism, just like a chemical plant, well, it’s not living growing. But a chemical plant makes chemicals. You don’t have chemical plant inside you, you have chemicals inside of you. So you can grow mold inside of you. And you can harbor mold toxins for decades. We’ve proven that decades that you can hold these mold toxins, even if you’re not still living in the moldy environment and/or if mold is growing inside you. So mold toxins is technically a biological toxin, but it’s so problematic and difficult that we put it in its own category.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (03:27):
Yeah, because those toxins to, I guess we’ll dive into it later.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (03:30):
Okay. Number three. Category is environmental chemicals. We talk about the chemical plant. We talked about in the last video beauty products and non-organic foods and roundup, and then clean air, clean food, all that, all that jazz, right? So environmental chemicals are kind of anything and everything. And then number four is heavy metals, which is different than chemicals. Although heavy metals are often in the same things you would get exposed to in the environmental chemicals. But metals are particular problems because just like mold, they have a particular way to be detoxified.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (03:59):
So one way to think about it is heavy metals have to be chelated and now there’s a specific removal process for heavy metals. I do not believe that heavy metals should be lumped into detox. They’re a special way to be removed. You can’t just eat cilantro and get rid of metals no matter what you’ve been told. All other chemicals, biological toxins, mold toxins, they all come out through our generic human detoxification pathways. So as long as you’re working on those, and you’re not ritoxin as we talked about the first video, then you will be detoxifying, biological mold and chemicals, but you cannot detoxify metals. Those os be chelated and removed. So that’s the basic categories of. You’re dying to say something.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (04:41):
No, no, I’m not. You’re good, you’re good. No, I’m really not.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (04:44):
So those are the four categories of toxins. So now we’re going to talk about testing for those toxins.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (04:50):
You go, start.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (04:50):
Well, I thought you wanted to say something.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (04:52):
No, no. There’s a lot. This is good.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (04:53):
Okay. And we’ll start off with, how do we test for biological toxins? Round one.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (04:57):
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (04:57):
Aubree Steen, FNTP (04:59):
The first two tests that we do commonly in the practice. First one is obviously a stool study. You’ll see about-
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:05):
Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:05):
That’s right. Obviously.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:07):
Because just look at our front door and you know we collect poo.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:08):
Obviously. That’s disgusting.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:11):
We don’t actually collect it.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:13):
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:14):
You collect. We just give you the box.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:14):
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:15):
You do it at home.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:15):
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:16):
Unless you’re an employee. Then some people collect it here and that’s disgusting.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:19):
It was very easy, okay?
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:22):
I wasn’t going to say any names.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:22):
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:22):
Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:27):
First one we do is a stool study. We’re not the biggest fan of things like a GI map, or I can’t even think of the other ones because I just don’t care about them.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:34):
CSA and yeah. We don’t need to disparage. Our favorite one is the GI Effects from Genova.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:39):
Sorry, yes. GI Effects from Genova. It’s wonderful test for yeast overgrowth, bacterial overgrowth, digestive components, markers of IBD like calprotectin, secretary IGA for inflammation, eosinophil protein X for food allergies and parasites potentially. Gives a full kind view of your microbiome, which is my favorite part of it as well. And it gives you enough. It gives you enough to look at and it’s very comprehensive.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (06:06):
Unfortunately, it’s not direct testing for biological toxins. That’s still one area of functional medicine that we’re lacking in. You can task for LPS. It’s only one I can really think of and C. diff toxin. That’s an obvious one.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (06:16):
Yeah. Yeah. You can test for LPS and then your type of intestinal permeability. So we can kind of tell you what type of biological toxin is perpetuating intestinal permeability. No, not what types, sorry, how they’re perpetuating intestinal permeability. But we know that these biological kind of pathogens, they produce toxins. We just can’t necessarily measure that. But the mere presence of them in your gut is a measure of disease and toxin load.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (06:42):
And they can measure them in a research setting. It’s just not commercially available to something we can do in the practice per se. Another interesting thing is that, although we’re not measuring biological toxins directly, we just pretty much assume that if you have a candida overgrowth or if you had poor digestion, or if you have bowel inflammation, we’re just going to assume that there’s biological toxins there. Because as more and more research comes out, they’re even showing that beneficial probiotics in the presence of a bad bacteria actually can make bacterial toxins of biological toxins.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (07:11):
And so real briefly, we’ve mentioned this LPS and you don’t need to know all the details of LPS, but LPS is basically on the inside of bacteria, bad ones, per se. They’re inflammatory to the human body. LPS is inflammatory to the human body. So if you have a lot of the LPS in your bloodstream, it’s literally triggering your inflammatory pathways. If you inject someone with LPS, you basically put them into sepsis and it’s very miserable and we don’t do that. But if you did do that. So that’s just one of the ways to measure biological toxins, that you can think you’re buying organic foods and doing the right thing. But if you’re not treating the LPS in your bowels, you might as well not buy it. Anyway, that didn’t go according to plan. So one of the tests we can look for the idea that there’s biological toxins is the stool study. What’s the other test we do it for?
Aubree Steen, FNTP (07:57):
Organic acids tests and that’s metabolites of these organisms themselves. So I like the organic acids test because we kind of liked to do them side by side. If you’re willing to do a stool study, in organic, Jesus, acids test.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (08:09):
Dig that, he does need help.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (08:10):
It does. Then you can see the presence of the living organism from the live growing inside the stool, but as well as the metabolites they produce and the organic acids test. And the really cool thing about that too, is candida is very, very hard to grow in the stool, outside the body.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (08:24):
Yes, it’s very possible. If it grows in the stool, you really have a candida problem.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (08:28):
And the one thing a stool study doesn’t check is mold overgrowth.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (08:31):
Yeah. There’s no mold overgrowth study.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (08:32):
So the organic acid test at least can go, “At least here’s the presence.” Whether it fits in your gut or your sinuses or your respiratory tract, these organisms like yeast and fungus and mold, and some bacteria are producing these metabolites. So then those metabolites are only present if those organisms are present. So the metabolite necessarily isn’t the toxin, but they kind of go hand in hand.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (08:54):
And any doctor can order these tests. These are not anything special. They just have to contact the lab, open an account, and then they can order it. Some of them are covered by insurance, semi covered by insurance.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (09:04):
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (09:04):
GI Effects is semi insurance-based. And then we use Great Plains Labs for their organic acids tests. There’s a Genova version of the organic acids test called the Nutri Valve. It’s not as good as the GPL version, but yeah, the GPL version is cash based.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (09:20):
Yeah. And I went through the organic acid test too, because it will give you markers of glutosiome depletion and your toxic burden, how your ketone and fatty acid oxidation is being affected, how your neurotransmitters are being effected.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (09:32):
Aubree Steen, FNTP (09:33):
Yeah, mitochondrial function.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (09:34):
It’s just mattering of stuff.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (09:35):
Yeah. But those are all affected by toxins. So if you see all of them out of markers or out of range, you have toxins affecting your body.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (09:42):
Notice she used the word toxins generically, because when your mitochondria are broken and your detox pathways are bogged down, it does not tell us what’s in your toxin bucket. All it says is the toxin bucket is full and it’s affecting your biochemistry. So that’s when we go down to the functional medicine of testing and treating one by one. Always starting with the gut.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (09:58):
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (09:58):
And then going to the other four. So those are the two tests we mainly do for biological toxins. And then we move on to mold. So I’m going to say this again. I said it earlier, but there are two problems with mold. There’s lots of problems with mold. But there’s two things with mold. So mold is a living growing organism. And while it’s living and growing, it’s also making mold toxins. So I won’t wax on. The mold, the living growing organism needs to be killed. The mold toxins is not living growing, it needs to be detoxified. So whenever someone I know you’ve got a lot to say, hold on.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (10:36):
No yeah, sorry.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (10:37):
Whenever you’re treating someone from mold, or if you’re worried, you have mold, the first step is to get out of the mold because you can’t kill it if you’re living in it or breathing it constantly or working in it. Then number two is you have to kill it in your living body, not killing you, kill it in your living body. Then the third step is you can detoxify it. You can’t do that backwards. You can only get out, then kill it, then detoxify it. You cannot detoxify while you’re living in it. You can try. What did you want to say?
Aubree Steen, FNTP (11:07):
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (11:07):
Aubree Steen, FNTP (11:08):
To piggyback off of that, the kind of insidious thing about mold is that if you kill the live living organism.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (11:16):
Ooh, insidious, good word.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (11:17):
You are not done.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (11:18):
You ain’t done.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (11:19):
At all, because you not only had those kinds of toxins that the live living were producing, but then you have to think of the exposure. Now, they’re fat and water soluble. So they can be in your brain anywhere, liver, your fat cells, you still have to get rid of those toxins. So if you lived in a moldy house five years ago, but you did all the gut work to clear it. And you’re like, “Great. My gut’s clean. I have a great organic acids test. My stool study is good to go.” But you didn’t get the mold toxins or mycotoxins out of yourselves or fat cells or brain wherever, they’re still inside you.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (11:50):
And so I like how you said that you have to get out of the source, you have to kill it first. And remember don’t forget what the sinuses or the respiratory tract, because mold likes to kind of make a home there because you’ve breathed it in. And then you can go through and finally go through and get the toxins out. Do not make the mistake. I can’t tell you how many people come in here. And they’re like, “Oh, I can’t wait.”
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (12:11):
We know who you are.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (12:12):
Yeah. “I’m going to do the detox infusions, but I haven’t killed off the mold in my gut yet.” And I’m like, “You can’t push those toxins out yet. You’re going to over-tox and you’re re toxify and you’re going to make your body worse.” And mold loves to start a biological warfare. The second you try to kill it, it produces more and more and more. So you have to kind of reduce that burden. So I guess on that note too, instead of trying to push the toxins out of story, you do have to sometimes reduce the toxic burden that’s circulating in your bloodstream before you kill off as well, depending how moldy you are.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (12:41):
Yeah, that’s true.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (12:43):
Because I guess you had the good metaphor about the hoarder in the house. I was kind of thinking about like in a middle school with a fire alarm. So you have all the kids in the classroom and they’re all-
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (12:51):
Aubree Steen, FNTP (12:52):
Yeah. You have all these kids in the classroom, but then you have a lot of kids in the hallway. Then you pulled the fire alarm and you go into the classroom and you go, “Guys, get out.” Now you have all these kids storming the hallway with all these other kids in there. It’s pure chaos. That’s what happens when you’re trying to push mold toxins out before you actually treat it or before you kill it.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (13:09):
I like that metaphor.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (13:10):
Yeah. That’s happens when you try to kill mold without removing the circulate in burden. But what you should do is go, “Hey, kids in the hallway, let’s get out first.” Those are your circulating toxins in your bloodstream. Then you can go and pull the kids from the classroom and in the hallway, that’s in your gut that you have to kill.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (13:25):
I feel like if you added a herd of cats into that metaphor.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (13:27):
That would have been really good.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (13:27):
It would be even better. Pull the fire alarm. Watch the cats and the children.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (13:32):
One crazy teacher’s like, “I got this.” Just lifts up a door. Just cats everywhere.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (13:35):
Right, that metaphor went as expected.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (13:43):
But that’s one thing with mold that at least, because they will produce toxins as being killed off. So sometimes you just got to do some binding work and glynothion and things like that.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (13:53):
So, we got a little off track with mold there. So then the question goes, how do we test for the mold in micro toxins?
Aubree Steen, FNTP (13:59):
Right? So one of the biggest things is that people make mistakes, they do an unprovoked test. Remember our body is very, very smart and likes to store these toxins wherever, whether, if it’s your hips, your eyeballs, or your brain, you never know. So what happens is that the body wants to keep you safe. So it’s not going to be necessarily urinating out the toxins for you to measure. You have to push them out of stores. So if we were to do, it’s called the mycotoxin test by Great Plains Lab. We’ve seen a night and day difference. If you do an unprovoked test and bring it to us, we literally consider it no null and void. Because sometimes your detox pathways, aren’t open, your gut isn’t fixed yet. And your body just isn’t ready to dump it out there because there’s too many other circulating toxins as well.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (14:41):
Let me pause you. So whenever we’re testing these detox for these toxins, it’s important to remember that we’re not testing what’s inside of you. We’re testing what’s coming out. We cannot see what’s inside without like taking a fat sample and sending it to a lab and no one can do that anyway. But that would be the only way to see what’s actually inside of you. So the only way we can infer what’s inside of you is to see what’s coming out. So we add these provoking agents to intentionally push extra stuff out, to give us an idea of what’s inside and what might be hiding inside.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (15:13):
And the interesting part about it that we really love too, is once we find the original bulk of like say mycotoxins in your body.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (15:20):
So mycotoxins is a fancy word for mold toxins.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (15:22):
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (15:24):
Myco, mold, toxin, toxins. Mold toxins, mycotoxins.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (15:25):
So if we see that you are urinating out mycotoxins and we start you on treatment, what we commonly see is when we retest again, you’re going to see more coming out. And this is good it kind of proves our point of that those toxins are in stores and your body is finally pushing them out for us to measure. So you will see that big kind of bell curve of that.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (15:46):
Yes. So what’s coming out is both a sign of what’s actually inside of you, but also a sign of how quickly it’s coming out of you. So if your mold toxin levels go up, it either means you have an ongoing worsening exposure, or it means that we’re getting it out of you faster and faster and faster. So what Aubree is suggesting is in the beginning, your mold toxins are here, which are not good. Then they get worse and then they get better. And as they’re getting better, then we know we’re getting closer to the finish line. And it can take months to years. It can literally take months to years, depending on how bad your exposure was.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (16:16):
And I’ve seen side-by-side tests that someone who had an organic acids test with some of the worst mold overgrowth I’ve seen. You know who you are. And then the mycotox was completely negative. And that’s literally impossible if you have mold growing in your system, but that just proved this body isn’t ready yet. It was not ready to purge the toxins. And the body was smart and it knew, “Hey, you can’t handle this load right now.”
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (16:37):
So Aubree’s just hitting at something that we missed. So there’s go backwards. There’s mold, living, growing organism. There’s mold toxin. That’s the chemical. So you need to test for both because if you have either, then you have both. And so the living growing organism, we use the organic acid test from Great Plains Labs are really kind of the only one that has living growing mold markers on it. And so those markers are what, two, four, five, six, and nine, I believe. You have your report they’re numbered, two, four, five, six and nine. Now they’re listed in orange letters, like aspergillus and fusarium, those are the mold markers. But we do not have enough mold markers. There are many more molds in this world than two molds, aspergillus and fusarium. But those are the only two living growing mold markers we have. But suffice to say that if you’re urinating out a bunch of mold toxins, then we assume something was living in you at one time. And so we always treat to kill before we treat to detoxify in these patients. We always treat them for mold.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (17:30):
Okay. So just to remind you, there’s two tests for the biological. That’s the stool study and organic acids tests. There’s two tests for the mold. There’s the organic acids test and the mycotoxin test. Both of those are frozen urine samples. For any toxin tests, not the stool, not the organic acids. For any toxin tests you have to do a provoking.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (17:47):
You have to.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (17:47):
And so our provoking is we do a 500 milligrams of glutathione twice a day. So a total of a 1000 milligrams of glutathione. We have a very specific glutathione product that we like. We don’t trust many of the other ones.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (17:58):
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (17:58):
We have issues, we’re biased. And we’re open and honest about why we’re biased because we’ve seen it work. And we just don’t want to try any others because we know it works. So you take two of those pills in the morning, two in the evening. There were other ways to do provocations and there’s even some controversy out there as far as whether we should be doing provoking or not. And I don’t care what they say because we had seen it clinically. This is what we do and it works. We provoke everyone. If it’s unprovoked and your levels are normal, that doesn’t mean anything to us.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (18:24):
You’ve just wasting money on a test.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (18:25):
Yes. And we do that as far. We do the glutathione 1000 milligrams a day for seven full days before you urinate in the cup. I’ve also heard that you can do sauna based provocations, where you do the sauna for 30 minutes and then you pee in the cup. But we’ve never experimented with that because we’ve had such good success with glutathione. We used to do the IV provocation, but we found that the pills were actually the more predictable way to get the toxin results and doing the infusion, which made a surge. And if you miss the surge, the test looks fine. Anyway, moving on. So mold toxin testing, number three is we said this video was going to be shorter.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (18:58):
But it’s okay. That’s good. The environmental toxic chemicals.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (19:01):
Testing for environmental chemicals. This one’s more straight forward.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (19:03):
Yeah. So it’s actually very similar to how you do the mycotoxin test.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (19:06):
It’s literally the same.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (19:07):
The same exact thing.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (19:07):
You just pay a different money and check a different box.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (19:09):
Yeah. GPL-TOX by Great Plains Labs. Same exact thing. Seven days of glutathione provocation. Pee in a cup the eighth morning. And there you go. That’s your test.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (19:20):
The big downside of the GPL-TOX and really all of this environmental chemical testing, is that we don’t have markers for most of the toxins in our environment. I think on this GTL-TOX, if I quote there’s like 18 toxins that they test for on this. There are way more than 18 toxins in our bodies and lives.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (19:34):
They’re the common ones, right? The NTBE and styrene and acrylamide and all those little fancy ones. But let’s say, if you were to take your shampoo and go on EWG or somewhere that measured all those ingredients, there’s probably 80 ingredients in there. And most of them are toxic and not a single one of them are listed on there. But if you actually Google those ingredients and toxin separately, you can see what causes reproductive issues, what causes cancer.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (19:58):
Aubree Steen, FNTP (20:00):
And things like that.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (20:00):
As Aubree mentioned, ewg.org has an app called Think Dirty that you can look up and they don’t have every product in there, but they’ve got a lot of the common products that gives you a grade on how safe your products are. But I’ll save you the trouble. Once you say, if you got it at a local grocery store, it’s probably toxic.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (20:15):
It’s toxic. Good luck.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (20:18):
Even if you got it at a Whole Foods, it’s probably still toxic.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (20:20):
It is, I’ve debunked it.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (20:20):
So yeah. So go to our course, learn more about detoxification and which brands and stuff. We don’t have time to talk about that now. And then last but not least is heavy metals, one of my favorite ones to talk about.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (20:31):
Yes! Can I say one thing real quick?
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (20:32):
Aubree Steen, FNTP (20:33):
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (20:33):
Aubree Steen, FNTP (20:34):
If you’re doing a hair heavy metal test, it is totally trash.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (20:38):
Aubree Steen, FNTP (20:39):
I’m just going to be honest with you. It’s totally trash. Please don’t waste your money on it.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (20:42):
In defensive of providers that are still doing hair metal.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (20:45):
Yes, we still love you.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (20:46):
We still love you. And we appreciate you trying do heavy metals, the reason why hair metal analysis even exists is because that’s the only way we use to be able to test for metals. Nowadays, we do urine metal testing. That’s the only way to do metal testing. And it must be provoked. If you have a metal test that wasn’t actively provoked with a chelating agent, it is literally useless, unless it’s high. If it’s high, you have unprovoked high sample. You definitely have a problem. But the sample must always be provoked. So we talked about provoking GPL, the environmental chemicals and the mold toxins. With metals, you have to do a totally different provocation, that’s with chelation. So I’ve got a heavy metal course, chelation course on the website. You can go and take the whole course. I’ll walk you through what all we do and everything.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (21:33):
There’s a lot.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (21:33):
But to put it simply, we do an infusion based chelation provocation. There are pill versions. They’re not as good as the infusion version, but if that’s the only thing you have available, that’s better than nothing. That’s the only thing I used to do was oral until we started doing IV and found that’s way more powerful. But the way we do it is we do an IV infusion of chelating agents. Now, I always tell people chelating agents are drugs, they are chemicals. They are manmade products. They are not natural at all. So these chelating agents, we do EDTA and DMPS as well as Myers Cocktail and glutathione. We give that infusion to patients and we collect their urine for six hours to see what comes out after we give them those products.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (22:09):
And we always do a before sample and an after sample. And it’s clear as day, how much of those chemicals and vitamins get out of your body as you can see between the before and after. And I think I’ve got pictures posted on our social media, as far as what chelation looks like and how you can get these metals out of you. But metals are terrible for the body because they interfere with your own natural biochemistry. People often ask me, “Well, what is mercury causing for me?” Well, the problem with metals is that metals interfere with your own natural things that you collect ions or metals for. So say you have a process that needs magnesium. Well, if you replace magnesium with mercury, now that process can’t work.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (22:49):
So what I encourage you to do is look through, what does iron do? What does magnesium do? What does selenium, zinc and molybdenum? All of those processes that are beneficial metals, if you insert a heavy metal instead, then you can just flip that to a negative and say, “Oh, zinc is good for the immune system. Well, mercury replacing zinc is bad for the immune system, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.” So metals are one of the most vague symptoms of, you can’t just have, “Oh, I have a joint pain. So I have mercury.” It’s not that straightforward.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (23:16):
So there is no direct symptom that says, “Hey, I’ve had this. So I have this specific metal.” It’s very vague. The most predictive thing we can use to guess whether you have metal overload or not, is just your exposure. That’s the only thing we can go off out. If you’ve been shooting in a gun range all of your life, if you’ve been a dental assistant, drilling out mercury all your life, you probably have it. If you’ve been eating canned tuna all your life, you probably have mercury.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (23:38):
Yeah. And then the one thing is that the FDA does not test for heavy metals. It’s the one thing that they actually don’t have to test for.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (23:45):
In food and products.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (23:45):
Yeah. Sorry in food and products. Yeah. So you could be having a protein powder that’s commonly kind of exposed to lead or mercury or anything else in the soil. Because if you think about it, those heavy metals, they travel, they travel in rainwater. They travel downstream, they travel in soil and you’re getting whatever food was grown in there, you’re getting it. And there’s different toxic areas in the United States. Yes, not everywhere. It’s grown like Flint, Michigan. We keep saying Flint, but we love you. But the second you say that you were born in Houston, we go, “Okay, there you go.”
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (24:11):
Aubree Steen, FNTP (24:12):
“The Valley, there you go.” So you were in Portland.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (24:15):
Aubree Steen, FNTP (24:16):
The pipes are all led. The water is phenomenal, but everyone knows the pipes are all led. So you’re in Portland, you’re most likely led toxic. Just little things like that.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (24:24):
Don’t trust the water.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (24:25):
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (24:25):
All right, we’re going to wrap that up here. This was testing on how to test for toxins and metals. And stay tuned for our next video on how to, I think, supplements.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (24:34):
Yeah, supplements and food.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (24:36):
To detoxify. Or food.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (24:36):
Food and supplements.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (24:37):
All right. See you, guys.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (24:38):
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (24:38):