Factors that Suppress Your Immune System – Part 2 of 4


(Part 2 of 4)

We decided to sit down and have a chat with our practice owner and MD, Dr. Philip Oubre, and functional nutritionist, Aubree Steen.

We’re diving into another 4 part series. We’re diving into part 2 here, following with:

1. Our gut and it’s role in the immune system
2. Factors that suppress your immune system (this video)
3. How to support your immune system
4. The differences between COVID-19, the flu, and a common cold

Feel free to watch the video, or read our transcript below.

Dr. Philip Oubre (00:00):
Okay. Hey everybody. So, we’re at our second video in this four-part series about the immune system. And in this video, we’re mainly going to be talking about, what are the things that suppress the immune system? Specifically, we’re going to be referring to your lifestyle and food.

Dr. Philip Oubre (00:14):
Commonly, people think of immune system and they think of all these drugs and things, but really, your day-to-day activity has way more impact on your immune system than any drug, any supplement that you could possibly do on a daily basis.

Dr. Philip Oubre (00:28):
The number one thing we’re going to talk about is stress. Stress is the biggest immune suppressor. Take that deep breath, blow it out. And that makes sense, okay? Just think about stress. Stress releases adrenaline, stress releases cortisol. And we, in medicine, use cortisol. You have probably taken cortisol, prednisone, Solu-Medrol, some sort of steroid in your lifetime. Many people have. And you use those steroids as an anti-inflammatory and immune suppression, because that’s what inflammation and pain is, your immune system attacking something.

Dr. Philip Oubre (01:03):
These steroids are perfect immune suppressants. So, when you are constantly stressed, constantly on the run, whatever it may be, we’re American, guilty, that constant stressor allows tons of cortisol to be released, and that cortisol dampens your immune system, or like we talked about in the first video, confuses the immune system and says, “Hey, go out there and find a fight,” but there’s nothing really to fight. And so eventually it gets confused and just picks a bar fight with an innocent bystander, is the idea. That’s one of the theories behind why the chronic stress causes autoimmunity.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (01:35):
And you said something about constant stressors. I don’t think you guys realize that, in today’s society, almost everything we do has a constant stressor to it. When we get into a moving vehicle going 80 miles an hour and someone maybe gets in your lane or someone honks or someone gets a little too close to you, that is a signal for your adrenals to go, “Oh my God, we need to fight or flight.” That’s a stressor, too, little daily things that we wouldn’t be used to if we weren’t in an industrialized society. So, you have to think about that.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (02:03):
It could be just one wrong email at work. All these constant dopamine hits, too, from social media. There’s constant little stressors in our brain. Even having empty space when you’re looking for an answer is a stressor to the body. And so we’ve come across all these things. You may not think of a stressor being the day-to-day, but you are flooded with stressors every day of your life, whether if you realize that you’re reacting to them or not.

Dr. Philip Oubre (02:25):
Another way to look at it is, okay, so most people that we talk to on a daily basis, can’t admit their stressors. And it’s taken a lot of reflection on my part to admit your stressors. So, maybe let’s try a different approach and let’s quantify how much time you spend de-stressing. And then you’ll quickly find out you’re stressed, like everyone else, as far as an American.

Dr. Philip Oubre (02:46):
So, what are some of those de-stressors that you’re probably not doing? Breathing exercises, chewing your food, Aubree’s favorite thing to talk about. Do you sit down to eat? When you’re in the bathroom or have any kind of downtime, sitting at a traffic light… That’s a bad example, sitting in a parking lot waiting to go in for your whatever, and they’re saying, “You’ve got to wait outside,” are you playing on your phone? The majority of our downtime nowadays is spent doing something. We don’t like downtime, as human beings.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (03:19):
No.

Dr. Philip Oubre (03:20):
So, what I’m going to encourage you to do, as far as one way to start lowering your stress levels, is to focus on your opportunities to do de-stress, or make those opportunities if you don’t already have them. So, if you have some downtime, instead of pulling out that phone and scrolling through social media and watching our video, maybe just considering sitting there and looking at the trees, looking at the sun or the rain, whatever’s outside, and just enjoying the beautiful world that we live in and being grateful…

Aubree Steen, FNTP (03:47):
Right. Because we have a-

Dr. Philip Oubre (03:51):
I don’t know where I was going with that.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (03:54):
That was good. You have a lot of self-expression, too.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (03:57):
Well, what I was going to say is we’re going to dive into a bunch of different tips and tricks, but you made a good point of, we need to see, how much time are we de-stressing? So, one thing that you need to do, if you’re watching this video right now, unclench, unhinge your jaw, unclench it, and take a deep breath.

Dr. Philip Oubre (04:12):
Like a snake? What does that mean?

Aubree Steen, FNTP (04:13):
Right, like-

Dr. Philip Oubre (04:13):
Unhinge, so you can swallow a mouse whole.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (04:14):
Well, you realize that most of the time, if you see something on Instagram, if you’re watching something, for whatever reason, our body is holding tension without realizing it. When you literally go, “Is my jaw relaxed?” you can feel the muscles in your jaw relax. Are your shoulders relaxed? Go ahead and relax your shoulders and take a deep breath. These are little things that you can do.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (04:33):
Maybe having a reminder in your phone. Headspace is great. They can send you reminders maybe every four to six hours that go, “Unclench your jaw, release your shoulders.” We don’t realize it, but we’re holding tension, and it’s from those daily little stressors.

Dr. Philip Oubre (04:47):
Another app I like that’s a little morbid, but it works really well for me-

Aubree Steen, FNTP (04:51):
Oh, God.

Dr. Philip Oubre (04:53):
It’s called WeCroak, is the app. You can download it. It’s free. And it’s literally an app that tells you five times a day that you are going to die. That sounds morbid and really dark, so let me explain that for a bit, because when I first heard about it, I thought it was really stupid. But what it teaches you is, when you get that message and you’re doing something…

Dr. Philip Oubre (05:12):
The moment it really made sense to me was when I was playing with my kids. They were riding the bike or something, and they had done something frustrating. And kids do those things. We love them to pieces, but they can frustrate us. And I got that message, notification popped up on my watch, “By the way, you’re going to die.” And it made me think in that moment, “You know what? I am going to die. Let me enjoy this moment and not get frustrated because the kid was whining or complaining or barely scraped his knee and acted like we chopped his leg off.” So, it’s that reminder.

Dr. Philip Oubre (05:40):
So, before you just open the app and think, “Well, gosh, that’s depressing,” no. The idea is, it’s supposed to remind you that you are mortal and that you need to enjoy every moment that you possibly can in this life. And you need to be asking yourself, “Is what I’m doing bringing me joy?” Because if it brings you joy, that is the definition of a de-stressor.

Dr. Philip Oubre (05:59):
Now, be careful with that, because some people will say their work is a joy to them and it brings them joy, but too much work is, of course, a stressor too. There needs to be balance and downtime.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (06:09):
I love that. I think it figures out what works for you. Is it the constant reminder that you’re going to die, or is it the constant reminder that you just need to unhinge your jaw?

Dr. Philip Oubre (06:19):
Whatever works for you.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (06:20):
Right, exactly. But I think that is a good thing, because when you’re sitting in your car, if you knew that you were going to die tomorrow, would you be on your phone or would you be looking at the view in the back? What would I be doing? Looking out back and taking it all in and going, “Okay, time to de-stress. Let’s enjoy this as we can.”

Dr. Philip Oubre (06:37):
I agree.

Dr. Philip Oubre (06:38):
Second biggest thing that affects the immune system that has nothing to do with supplements is sleep. Absolutely. I mean, we are all guilty of, America. We both have our caffeine-

Aubree Steen, FNTP (06:49):
Oh, [inaudible 00:06:49] our Oura Rings.

Dr. Philip Oubre (06:49):
And the Oura Rings. That was next. We both have our caffeine drinks close by. And as Americans, we’re all guilty of drinking too much caffeine, blowing and going, and just getting every second we can out of life. But ultimately what suffers is our sleep. Many, many people struggle with getting to sleep, struggle with staying asleep. And you may think those are sleep issues, but really they’re awake issues.

Dr. Philip Oubre (07:13):
How you spend your time awake is how you spend your time sleeping. And if you’ve ever taken care of an infant, then you know that sleep begets sleep. So, if you are sleeping well and you have regular hours and a bedtime routine, whatever you want to call it, if you’re sleeping well, that will create better sleep the next time and the next time and the next time. It’s literally one of those practice makes perfect situations.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (07:36):
One thing that was kind of fear-based for me, and we don’t want everything to be fear-based, but there was a study proven that you can never catch up on the sleep that you lose. You literally can never get it back.

Dr. Philip Oubre (07:46):
Sleep debt.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (07:46):
Yeah, it is sleep debt. That is a little bit of a fearful thing to think about, but at the same time, it can kind of be the catalyst to push you into, how am I getting good sleep? And one of those things that suppresses our sleep is what Dr. Oubre talked about. What are you doing during the day? Are you up in your computer or working until an hour thirty minutes before bed or all the way up until bed? Then you’re automatically going to have that triggering system in your brain, almost that anxiety, that fight or flight that goes into your sleep when you should be getting into this parasympathetic mode of the rest and digest, when you should be actually healing and regenerating.

Dr. Philip Oubre (08:20):
Agreed. One of our favorite things to do is to track your sleep because I mean, you can, just symptom-wise, track your sleep. Did you just hit the pillow and wake up in the morning? That’s a good sign. Were you tossing and turning? That’s a bad sign. Did you wake up at some point, weren’t able to go back to sleep? And then number three, when you woke up, did you feel rested or not? And so if you’re not tracking your sleep, you at least need to be tracking yourself symptom-based. And be honest with yourself like, “Oh, I guess I did have that glass of wine too close to bedtime,” or “I did have all the lights on in the house,” or “I was playing on the phone too close to bedtime.” That’s the benefit of actually tracking your sleep is it gives you…

Dr. Philip Oubre (08:58):
The Oura Ring is kind of one of our favorite things. Oura, O-U-R-A. We don’t make any money off of them.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (09:03):
No, I wish.

Dr. Philip Oubre (09:04):
They’re great. It’s a ring that you wear and it tracks your activity during the day, but the biggest thing is it tracks your sleep. Fitbit does it. Apple Watch does it, all kinds of things. So, get something that tracks your sleep, and don’t get neurotic over it because that can upset your sleep also.

Dr. Philip Oubre (09:17):
But what you want to do is play with your variables and see which ones affect your sleep. For me, a big one is eating too late. I always notice when I eat too late, that that happens.

Dr. Philip Oubre (09:28):
So, a couple of tips we’ll give you is, number one is got to turn the lights off. We react to lights. If it’s too close to bedtime, you’re wrecked. So, if you are playing on your computer or your phone or TV or whatever it may be, then buy some blue blockers. They’re cheap on Amazon. You can find any kind of blue blocker that will help. And you want to wear it at least two hours before bedtime.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (09:50):
They need to be a deep, deep orange.

Dr. Philip Oubre (09:52):
Yeah. The world needs to look funny through them.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (09:55):
Right. It has to be a little frustrating wearing them where you’re like, “I don’t feel like this is reality.” I don’t want the little cheap, clear ones that are like, “These are blue blockers.” I don’t care if the light goes through it or not. I want you to get the orange ones. It needs to have that orange tone to really take out all the blue.

Dr. Philip Oubre (10:10):
You should look weird wearing them.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (10:12):
My brother. I love you John.

Dr. Philip Oubre (10:13):
Exactly. So, blue blockers is a big one. Another one is if you’re waking up in the middle of the night… We call that liver time. 2, 3, 4:00 AM is liver time. Can be adrenal time too. But you want to mention liver time?

Aubree Steen, FNTP (10:28):
I did. I wanted to talk about this. So, if you’re actively waking up at three to four, that is a sign of liver stress. Your body has a circadian rhythm. And at night when we’re sleeping, that is our time to go through all… Well, not all our different organ systems, but you have your heart, then your gallbladder, then your liver, and then different parts of your body. And our body needs to have that time to go through and mop up any excess toxins, rid some debris in there, really give it time to focus on those. When you are awake during the day, you don’t have time to kind of really sit there and be like, “Let me clean up my liver a little bit.”

Aubree Steen, FNTP (11:00):
One thing we commonly see… There’s two things. One, liver stress is three or four in the morning. If you’re always waking up right there, one of the most common things is, is your liver burdened? Are you drinking too much alcohol? Are you eating too many processed foods?

Aubree Steen, FNTP (11:12):
There’s a couple of things that actually really helped some patients before bed. Taking 500 milligrams of liposomal glutathione or castor oil packs. If you start doing that, put a castor oil pack on your liver, and we can kind of go over this next video, but if you do that and your sleep improves and you don’t wake up, that means your liver was stressed.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (11:29):
Then the next one is adrenal stress. When you start to wake up every two hours or so, when you’re constantly just having the cycle of always waking up and going back to sleep, that means that your cortisol is in a heightened state too, and it’s unstable and you’re constantly waking up in the night. High sugar foods can do this, eating too close to bed can do this, and stress before sleep can do it.

Dr. Philip Oubre (11:50):
And thinking about emotional stress, guys. If you’re waking up at two, three, four in the morning, and there’s a racing thought that you were regurgitating… That’s not the right word.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (11:59):
Recirculating?

Dr. Philip Oubre (12:00):
Yeah. But anyway, if there’s a thought that you’re stuck on and it’s an emotional situation or a toxic person or something, that really tells you that you might’ve been fine during the day dealing with that situation, but clearly it’s affecting your inner being, your spirit. And so you really need to decide, that toxic person, do I need them in my life? And if they do need to be in your life, say it’s your boss or something, you can’t get rid of that… Please don’t get rid of your boss. That would be bad. But the better situation is you can’t change that person, but you can change how you react to that person.

Dr. Philip Oubre (12:32):
So, changing your boundaries or setting boundaries or working with how you can distance yourself from that emotional turmoil, really thinking about what it is you’re waking up and why, because it certainly can be liver, but if it’s an emotional issue, you can put as many castor oil packs as you want, you’ve got to deal with the emotional issue.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (12:48):
And emotions are constantly tied to liver, too, especially in alternative medical worlds. If you constantly have an emotional stressor and you’re not seeing that, you may see that liver time wake up at 3 to 4:00 AM. I’ve had patients or even friends who have woken up in the middle of the night crying without realizing it, or they woke up and their face was wet, and it means that you’re not processing everything that you’re dealing with. And for our immune system, which is actually a category we’re going to go over in a second, is the mood and emotional health, that your mood and your thoughts and your emotions can suppress your immune system automatically.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (13:20):
So, I think, totally right. You have to check in with your emotional stressors and your health and see, are you taking the time? One thing to kind of realize is if you always say, “Oh, I hate being alone. I can’t do it,” that’s a huge, huge sign that you do need to work through some issues, not issues in a negative way, but things that are taxing your mental and emotional health.

Dr. Philip Oubre (13:42):
That’s a perfect segue into the mood situation, because if you are generating negative energy and constantly saying negative words and negative phrases, then that affects your inner being. May not understand it, but it’s true. Your outlook on life basically affects how healthy you are on the inside. And you can call it manifestation. “Oh, I manifest that I’m well, and I’m going to say it out loud and I’m going to believe it,” whatever you want to call it. A Tony Robbins situation. You claim something and it will be real kind of deal.

Dr. Philip Oubre (14:13):
But the main thing we want to point out with this outlook is you just want to make sure that you’re at least taking time to express gratitude. That is one thing that is research proven to improve your life, anything, can improve anything and everything is just, do you proceed with life with gratitude towards the things that come your way?

Dr. Philip Oubre (14:33):
So, yes, you may be in a terrible situation, something terrible may be happening right now, but there’s got to be at least one thing that you’re grateful for, whether it be your children or whether it be you have a vehicle that got you to work, or whether it be that you actually woke up or that cup of coffee, whatever it may be, taking time to say that you are grateful for whatever it is in your environment can absolutely change your being.

Dr. Philip Oubre (14:52):
We see it in our practice all of the time. Commonly, patients have seen multiple doctors by the time they come to see us. I’m not talking just five. I’m talking sometimes 10 doctors that they have seen in order to try to figure themselves out. And what we’re able to do is give them different answers, root cause answers and just leaving the practice, they already feel better. We didn’t do any kind of magic, voodoo, healing or anything. It’s hope. It’s hope. It’s that outlook on life that they can be better. And that will make you feel better. So, you have to remember just your outlook on life affects your immune system, whether you like it or not.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (15:28):
And how does it tie in is that emotions are actually… they’re measurable in testing. They do leave an imprint on yourselves. They leave an imprint in different parts of your body. You’ll see sometimes chronic musculoskeletal issues tied to emotional trauma and unresolved traumas as well. So, if you have headaches that sometimes don’t go away and you’ve exhausted all options and there’s really nothing else, think about your emotional health.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (15:56):
But when you do have that gratitude, you’re teaching your body to go into more of a parasympathetic mode, right? We don’t have our cortisol and adrenal hormones that are meant to trigger a fight or flight constantly going, so your body’s already in a better state of healing and regeneration. And that’s really, really crucial for immune health.

Dr. Philip Oubre (16:14):
Next on the list is exercise. And usually we’re talking about how you should exercise and all that, but in this situation, immune suppression, we’re actually talking about over exercise. So, you know who you are that are pushing your luck. That’s right.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (16:27):
We love you.

Dr. Philip Oubre (16:28):
So, you just want to be really mindful about the exercise you’re doing. Are you doing too much? Because if you’re doing too much, you’re not going to sleep well. It’s not going to be a deep sleep. It’s not going to be restful sleep. And that’s where tracking your sleep comes in. If you have an Oura Ring or a Fitbit or something, tracking your heart rate variability over time can tell you if you’re over-exercising. If your heart rate variability is suppressed, guilty… If your heart rate variability is suppressed, then it’s telling you that you’re over-training. You need to make sure you give time for your body to react and respond and regenerate. And your heart rate variability will go back up. We won’t spend a lot of time on that, but just a mental note, not to do too much.

Dr. Philip Oubre (17:01):
If you’re doing high intensity interval training, hit training, you shouldn’t be doing it every day. At most, two, maybe three times a week. But if you’re doing it more than that, you’re really just taxing your body. And remember that exercise is intentionally breaking down your body so that it regenerates stronger than before. But if you’re constantly breaking down, then at some point you’re going to break down as fast as you’re going to regenerate, and then you’re literally not making any progress. You’re working really hard, but literally not making progress. The whole point of doing it is to make progress.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (17:31):
And if your body’s constantly getting that hit, it doesn’t have time to regenerate and heal. And then you don’t have time to focus on other healing aspects of your body as well.

Dr. Philip Oubre (17:38):
I agree. So, just make sure that the exercise is healthy and make sure the exercise is not trying to run away from a problem or abuse your body in a way to get anger or frustration out. And that kind of goes back to the mood and outlook situation.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (17:52):
And then if you are feeling sick, or if you do feel like your body’s pushed past the limit, find something that’s a little bit more fluid movement for you. And I mean, yoga, any type of movement, using a roller… What is that? Foam roller, whatever it may be. Words aren’t the best today. Something that still moves your body, but isn’t going to push it past the limit. You still want that movement and that flow, but you don’t want to overtax your body

Dr. Philip Oubre (18:16):
Good. Last but not least is Aubree’s favorite thing of which foods are going to suppress your immune system.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (18:23):
We’ll go over the-

Dr. Philip Oubre (18:25):
She’s got a document that she’s going to review.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (18:26):
So, some of the foods to avoid… You’re going to see this sheet in the next video as well for the foods that we should be increasing. At the bottom of it, though, I did put the foods to avoid.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (18:36):
So, one of the biggest things I want y’all to know is hydrogenated oils. These are going to be oils that have changed the molecular structure with hydrogen, basically. They change the bonds to make them either more fluid or spreadable or withstand different heats. You’ll see these in a lot of packaged and processed foods on the shelf. And I put a few on here. So, they suppress the immune system. At the same time, they do contribute to heart disease, cancer, metabolic disorders, you name it.

Dr. Philip Oubre (19:01):
They should just not be in your house at all.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (19:02):
At all. And so what you’re going to see is soybean oil, corn oil, canola oil, and cotton seed oil.

Dr. Philip Oubre (19:09):
Vegetable oil.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (19:10):
Vegetable oil, which is canola.

Dr. Philip Oubre (19:11):
Just in general.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (19:11):
Yeah. So, it’s all vegetable oil. Any of those vegetable oils, you do want to avoid.

Dr. Philip Oubre (19:15):
So, you need to look at that list and you need to go through your oils, Mom, at home, calling you out. If you have any of those oils in your house, they just need to be thrown away and replaced.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (19:25):
The one thing I do want to say is that in a lot of paleo and AIP packaged foods, you will see a little bit of sunflower oil. That’s the one thing that I’m going to say, choose it with balance, guys. If you are doing 90% of what you’re supposed to do, whole unadulterated foods, but you are on a restricted diet and you only have a few options to choose from, and there may be a little bit of sunflower oil in a cold product, take it with a grain of salt and just go ahead and buy the product.

Dr. Philip Oubre (19:49):
It’s all about the 90%.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (19:50):
It is.

Dr. Philip Oubre (19:51):
You don’t have to be perfect, but if you’re cooking with this stuff everyday and eating it in packaged foods, then that’s too much. Some of them are trans fats, and trans fats are the only fat that’s been ruled bad for all people.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (20:02):
Right. And the food label necessarily doesn’t have to disclose it if it’s under a certain percent. So, it can still-

Dr. Philip Oubre (20:09):
0.6. It can have 0.6 grams of trans fats per serving and still be labeled as zero. So, if you’ve got a sleeve of Oreo cookies or something, it says zero grams of trans fat, and there’s five servings in there, it could technically have three grams of trans fat in the whole thing. 5 times 0.6.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (20:24):
I was literally about to say those numbers.

Dr. Philip Oubre (20:27):
So, three grams of trans fat in there, and it will say on the label zero. That is a crime as far as I’m concerned.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (20:34):
And the whole balance with those oils, too, is that it is an imbalance of Omega 3, or 6s versus 3s. Omega 6s are highly inflammatory in the body in excess. You need a balance of Omega 6s and 3s. So, on this little sheet, which we also are going to put a link in there at least so you can look at these, you’re going to want to balance out those Omega 6s if you do have them somehow in your diet with Omega 3s.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (20:56):
And I put a little list. This is your walnuts, flax seeds, wild caught fish, really nice, healthy fatty Omega 3s. And you should be incorporating a fish oil.

Dr. Philip Oubre (21:06):
You got to either eat the fish or take the oil. What’s your choice?

Aubree Steen, FNTP (21:09):
Yeah. Perfect. Next thing is grains. So, in one of my videos for an educational purpose, I talked about a few things. So, grains are inflammatory in the reason of they’ve been denatured, they’ve been hybridized, and they have natural defense mechanisms that if you already have a leaky gut or an inflamed gut, that they can perpetuate that immune response and perpetuate the inflammation.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (21:34):
So, a couple of things… They’re called saponins and phytates. Basically they’re damaging to the gut. They’re damaging to the immune system. These are also anti-nutrients that basically have soap-like qualities. They’re enzyme inhibitors, so they prevent your food from being broken down properly, which can overact your immune system and your gut.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (21:52):
It’s kind of like a bull in a China shop. These prevent grains, legumes, nuts, and seeds from being broken down. Basically, they’ll want to be digested and pooped out and still be able to regrow and reproduce. So, if you think of eating a food that’s supposed to have that designed nature to go through your body, it’s like a bull in a China shop. You’re going to have it cause inflammation and distress all the way throughout your gastrointestinal system. Especially if you’re trying to boost up your immune system and not suppress it and reduce inflammation, avoid grains if you can.

Dr. Philip Oubre (22:26):
Just real quick on the grains front. Think of grains as anything that’s stored in a silo before it’s brought out to your grocery store or whatever. Rice, corn, oatmeal… Or oats, I guess it’s not the oatmeal. What else?

Aubree Steen, FNTP (22:40):
Rye, barley, teff, sorghum, millet.

Dr. Philip Oubre (22:44):
Wheat, gluten. So, all of those things are considered grain. So, that’s an interesting category.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (22:49):
Did you say rice?

Dr. Philip Oubre (22:50):
What’s that?

Aubree Steen, FNTP (22:50):
Did you say rice?

Dr. Philip Oubre (22:50):
Yeah. I said rice, I think. Rice is a big one.

Dr. Philip Oubre (22:52):
Try and remove grains as an inflammatory process in general, is a good start.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (22:57):
Yeah. And one of those compounds, I forgot to say that saponins, they actually create holes in the membranes of the cells in your intestinal lining. Remember how we were talking about the intestinal barrier in your last video? It basically creates little microscopic holes to increase that opening and letting more foods and toxins and triggers go through and bombard the immune system. Very interesting.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (23:20):
Look at this PDF though. I’m just going to touch base on a few of these things instead of diving into detail. I want you all to be able to have this, and I don’t want it to be a little story time reading for you guys, because I feel like you’re grown adults and you can do this.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (23:31):
Next one is dairy. I can rant forever on this, but basically the only real helpful dairy is if you don’t have dysbiosis, you have reduced inflammation, and if you get raw, organic, unhomogenized dairy. But that’s not what we’re getting. Everything that we’re getting has been heat processed, pasteurized, homogenized, and denatured. Inevitably, it causes a lot of inflammation in your diet.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (23:51):
And 75% of us actually have a sensitivity to dairy. That’s actually proven. So, you can’t think of the excuse of, “Oh, my ancestors ate it.” Yeah, but every single generation that we have, our DNA actually changes a little bit to our environment. We also have to think of epigenetics. Just because your great-grandmother can digest the dairy, doesn’t mean that you can. With introduced toxins, food sensitivities, the way that foods process, remember our gut may not recognize dairy as food anymore because we’ve changed it so much and we’ve added so many things to it.

Dr. Philip Oubre (24:24):
Most people don’t realize they’re reacting to dairy until they remove it and add it back in.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (24:27):
Exactly.

Dr. Philip Oubre (24:28):
It’s so common.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (24:29):
Yeah, inevitably. And they’re like, “I like my cheese.” And that’s fine. I’m like, “Okay, I get it. But-“

Dr. Philip Oubre (24:34):
But it doesn’t like you.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (24:34):
No, and your body acclimates. So, you may be eating these foods and you feel fine, but what if you’re getting sick all the time? And what if you realize, “Oh, I get a cold every year.” I don’t. I don’t know if you do, but-

Dr. Philip Oubre (24:46):
I was just hospitalized in February, so-

Aubree Steen, FNTP (24:50):
Oh, yeah. Sorry.

Dr. Philip Oubre (24:50):
I’m not making any claims.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (24:50):
I’m just a [inaudible 00:24:50] patient.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (24:51):
But the normal immune responses, sometimes they don’t happen when you actually are removing these inflammatory foods from your diet. Do it. Try it out for even two or three months and see how your immune system works. See if you actually get sick this year.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (25:05):
Next thing I want to do is sugar. Sugar and high fructose corn syrup or high fructose no matter what is the worst thing you can do for inflammation and your immune system. So, in here I put the amygdala. That’s responsible for our fight or flight. It’s constantly triggered with sugar, which is a terrible thing because sugar is creating that fight or flight response. It’s creating an addictive property in your body, but what it does is it also feeds pathogenic yeast, fungus, mold, bacteria, you name it, that actually kind of confuse the immune response like you said before.

Dr. Philip Oubre (25:37):
Sugar is so pervasive in our environment that if you’re not actively avoiding it, you’re eating too much.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (25:42):
Exactly. And I think one of the things that you can look at is, is it snuck into my foods? Is it snuck into little things?

Dr. Philip Oubre (25:49):
It is.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (25:50):
It is.

Dr. Philip Oubre (25:50):
It absolutely is.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (25:50):
And if you’re wondering-

Dr. Philip Oubre (25:51):
You just got to find it.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (25:51):
Right. Why does my beef jerky have sugar in it when it tastes really salty? It’s supposed to be so you buy it over and over again. And there’s a ton of different names. So, I do have a grocery store tour PDF. We have a ton of resources to help, but it can be hidden underneath 50 different names. So, make sure that you get your hands on one of those and that you are actually actively looking for sugar.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (26:10):
One of the good things, too, is that high fructose can end up causing that effect on your body as well. So, having really sweet fruits all day is not good for your body either. So, having a ton of peaches and a ton of watermelon, your body’s going to react like it is to sugar. And what happens is that when your body is constantly trying to stabilize your glucose levels, it ends up causing stress on your adrenals, causing hormonal dysfunction. And that alone can help kind of confuse and suppress your immune system.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (26:37):
Perfect. And that’s it for the foods.

Dr. Philip Oubre (26:40):
Okay. So, that finishes our video on lifestyle and foods that suppress immune system. And so in our next video, we’re going to go into, what are some of the things that boost the immune system other than just don’t do the things that suppress it.

Dr. Philip Oubre (26:55):
All right. Subscribe to our channel, watch our videos, hit the little bell once you subscribe so you get alerts for us. And we’ll see you next time.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (27:01):
Bye guys.


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