We decided to sit down and have a chat with our practice owner and MD, Dr. Philip Oubre, and functional nutritionist, Aubree Steen.
We're diving into another 4 part series focusing on anti-inflammatory secrets.
We're diving into part 1 here, following with:
1. Dr. Oubre's Experience with COVID-19 (this video)
2. The Anti-Inflammatory Diet
3. Our Favorite Anti-Inflammatory Supplements
4. Anti-Inflammatory Lifestyle Habits
Feel free to watch the full video, or read the transcript below!
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (00:01):
Hey everybody, we are separate today because I am out with COVID right now. I'm on day eight with COVID. So we thought today would be an appropriate time to talk about COVID. I'm sure everyone's tired of hearing about COVID, but it's the last time we'll talk about COVID and hopefully, as the vaccine and COVID rages around the country, more and more people will develop immunity and this will be forever gone. So the first thing I wanted to talk about was my experience because I think there's a lot of fear around COVID and people just don't know how to react. And unfortunately, people are dying from this. It's a very small percentage, but we don't know who that percentage is that gets the severe cases. But so far, my case has been really mild. Like I said, I'm on day eight. It started out with just general feeling bad and some dizziness. And then by day three or four is when I was really fatigued. But I found that it's not as painful as the flu. I feel like the flu, you just get more body aches and more pain.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (01:01):
Wasn't it painful?
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (01:03):
Mm-mm (negative). It's just sleepy.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (01:05):
[crosstalk 00:01:05] How achy.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (01:06):
I was just tired all the time, all the time. And so I'd spent Saturday and Sunday, last weekend, literally in the bed, horizontal the whole time. But then Monday woke up and felt okay since. So I'm on day eight, energy's been fine enough to work and do interviews and stuff. And of course I'm taking a boatload of supplements and peptides per my staff's recommendations, and tons of people online gave me plenty of recommendations.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (01:33):
Oh, I'm sure. I love internet doctors. They're very sweet, yeah.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (01:37):
They are. And so ultimately there's only so many things you can actually put in your body. So I wanted to talk about that and talk about some of the things I used and what we're doing for our patients. But this is certainly not the end all be all of you must do this and nothing else will work. I think too often people try to supplement with everything when they get sick with COVID, and the truth is that your pre-health or your pre-COVID health matters more than your current COVID health. Once you get COVID, it's not the time to start eating salad. Yeah, sure, but it's too late. And so there's been multiple studies now linking a healthy microbiome to a decreased severity of COVID. So I'd like to believe, my stool study doesn't agree, but I'd like to believe I have a healthier microbiome [crosstalk 00:02:24] and that's why.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (02:25):
But you didn't want to work after your stool study.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (02:28):
Yeah, that's true.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (02:29):
We upped the antics. Yeah. So you reduced inflammation, added in good microbiome supportive foods, which we'll talk about, but that is the purpose of... There's a lot... I'm glad that you're talking about it because we all know what happened last year. And I was nervous personally for you to COVID after you had a chest tube from pneumonia but I think-
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (02:47):
Literally almost to the year, actually tomorrow will be [crosstalk 00:02:51] anniversary of when I went to the hospital. Yeah.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (02:54):
Oh my God. Okay. Well, there we go. But yeah. And so then I think there's a lot of... I think almost more fear and anxiety about it because you do hear about the horror stories, but I think that yours is an example of case of you had a horrible hospital incident last year, and then you did some more testing and looked at your body and your gut and your inflammation and you changed it. And you did an AIP diet, you did everything you possibly could. And then now look, you have COVID and honestly it's probably the best case scenario with you.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (03:24):
Aubree Steen, FNTP (03:24):
And it's good to-
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (03:25):
Aubree Steen, FNTP (03:26):
Yeah. So at least show people you're right. It's what you do before you get COVID. Not that all is lost, but when you do get it, if you're not [crosstalk 00:03:34].
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (03:33):
Aubree Steen, FNTP (03:34):
But yeah, you definitely have to lay down that groundwork.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (03:38):
So one of the things we want to remind everyone is that we put together a COVID action plan for people that are nervous and want to take supplements either before or during their illness. And so you can go to our website oubremedical.com/COVID19 without the hyphen. And you can fill out your information and an automatic email will be generated and sent to you with our action plan and stuff. But I wanted to highlight a few things from the action plan. And number one is that vitamin D, although we've heard about vitamin D for years and years and years, it really does seem to be a big component of your pre-sickness vitamin D levels matter based on your severity of COVID. And so our vitamin D level for everyone is over 60. It doesn't matter how old you are, we want a vitamin D level over 60.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (04:20):
And then there's new data actually suggests that if you take 50,000 units every day, what was it for 7 days or 10 days? Doesn't matter, somewhere around there. While you have COVID, you actually have better outcomes too. So I did that, even though my levels were already over 60, the 50,000 are supposed to be once a week, but instead you take them every day while you're sick and I've been doing that with COVID and you can overdose on vitamin D, but it takes a lot, lot, lot, lot, so you don't really need to worry about that. So if you take it once a day for 7 days, 10 days max, you're not going to necessarily overdose, so make sure to do that. And then number two is that Ivermectin has gotten a lot of attention that didn't really make it to our action plan because it's not a supplement. It's a prescription you'd have to get from your pharmacist or your doctor and then the pharmacy. I've heard of people getting it from the horse store, apparently. It's a well-known medication for horses. I don't know [crosstalk 00:05:13].
Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:13):
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:13):
What a horse store is. But, apparently, they use it for horses.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:18):
Like I'm taking in Ivermectin and I'm washing my hair with the horse shampoo. [crosstalk 00:05:23].
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:22):
You're going to have a mane.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:22):
And some horse [seeby too 00:05:23]. That's wild.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:27):
So the horse store. I don't know what that is, but you got to make sure to convert it for human dosages because humans are a lot smaller than horses in case you didn't know that. The usual dose is three milligrams once a day for five to seven days, but I've seen all kinds of regimens out there, 15 milligrams and whatnot. And truth be told, I don't think we know all of it, but at least if we get some in that might help.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:49):
Can you touch [me 00:05:50] real quick on just like a quick synopsis on Ivermectin? Am I saying that right? Because I don't [crosstalk 00:05:54].
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:54):
To be honest, I don't even know the mechanism behind why it helps with COVID. I saw the research and I've just fell out of favor of research in COVID to death because I just feel like we've got so many more people we can help with autoimmune issues than COVID right now. So all I know is that Ivermectin has proven beneficial. It is an anti-parasite drug. [crosstalk 00:06:14].
Aubree Steen, FNTP (06:13):
Yeah. That's what I was going to ask.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (06:15):
So check your poop for parasites when you're on Ivermectin just in case.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (06:18):
Did you have one?
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (06:19):
I didn't see any.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (06:21):
Oh, bummer. I wanted to see.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (06:23):
Big tape worm kind of... So side benefit of taking Ivermectin. Now I was a full moon and it was a Wolf-man, it was a wicked looking moon while I was on Ivermectin, so that always helps with parasites if you take it during a full moon.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (06:39):
Yeah. Interesting. Did you feel more fatigued taking it during a full moon, maybe?
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (06:42):
Well, oddly enough... I started Ivermectin let's say, first day of symptoms was Wednesday, I got Ivermectin by Thursday. And by Saturday, Sunday I was in bed. So I don't know that it was necessarily ivermectin or parasites or COVID or whatnot. But Saturday, Sunday, I did not get out of bed at all. Other than use the bathroom and eat because you know I don't skip a meal, ever.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (07:01):
Never. [I wished you inaudible 00:07:03].
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (07:03):
And luckily, I did not lose any smell or taste other than this terrible nasal congestions. I can taste everything, but it's not the obvious loss of smell and taste that happens with COVID. Last but not least of course are peptides. We've been doing a lot of work with peptides lately and they're getting much more popular in finding a lot more benefit with it. So my staff put me on, I gave them permission to treat me. I did not treat myself this time, [crosstalk 00:07:27] Because the last time that ended in the hospital.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (07:29):
So the guys put me on thymosin alpha, thymosin beta and a mega dose of BPC. [crosstalk 00:07:35] I did not do my peptide today, yet.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (07:38):
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (07:39):
Aubree Steen, FNTP (07:40):
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (07:40):
I didn't take my supplements.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (07:41):
Okay. You had to do it right after we get off. Yeah. And so we did the 30 units of BPC, twice a day. We did the most- [crosstalk 00:07:49].
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (07:49):
Which is a mega dose because [crosstalk 00:07:50] normally we do 15 units once a day. That's literally quadruple the dose.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (07:49):
And that was mostly I think, related by weight.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (07:56):
What are you trying to say?
Aubree Steen, FNTP (08:00):
I use it for my weight and I just gave it to you.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (08:02):
Aubree Steen, FNTP (08:03):
So if anything, I'm putting myself under the rug. And then we did thymosin alpha [effort 00:08:09]. So and we had you ramping up, right? So eventually it was-
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (08:12):
And it was 50 units.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (08:13):
Yeah, 50 units for three or four days. How many did you do?
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (08:15):
Aubree Steen, FNTP (08:15):
Three days. And then we're down to 15 units.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (08:17):
Aubree Steen, FNTP (08:18):
And then that's for the supercharged. And so for anyone who doesn't know that, thymosin alpha helps with intracellular pathogens, so killing off inside the cell and increasing all of your immune... Basically reactions to help fight something off. That's the simplest way to [crosstalk 00:08:33]
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (08:33):
It's always a fascinating thing to me to think about intracellular pathogens.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (08:37):
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (08:37):
And so we typically think of bacteria and everything on the outside of us, but there are certain bacteria that are small that invade our cells and live inside of our cells. We typically think of viruses as inside of the cell and everything else is outside of the cell, but Lyme disease, syphilis, chlamydia, not the chlamydia you typically think of with sexually transmitted diseases but all the other chlamydia's out there, are actually intracellular pathogens that live inside of our cells. And so that could be another reason why I was wiped out Saturday and Sunday. I've never done thymosin alpha before. Who knows if I had some lyme or something going on in the background and the thymosin alpha just supercharged me. So that's one peptide we have to warn people about that... BPC is... no one ever has side effects with BPC.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (09:20):
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (09:21):
That's just all wonderful and nothing bad from our experience. But if thymosin alpha has been a powerful one that you want to be wary of side effects, not that they're bad. It's a healing reaction, but if you're stuck in bed, that may feel bad.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (09:34):
Yeah. And depending on what your previous medical history is, right? So I think there's a couple office staff, myself included, who have a substantial medical history with mold and other biological toxins and things like that. And the small dose of 15 had us wiped out and into total sympathetic overdrive. But then, half a dose was okay and so usually in the practice, if you're using it not for COVID, you start at five units for a few days and increase to 7.5, then 15. So yeah, if you're doing thymosin alpha with anyone that's outside of our office, just make sure that you know that and that you're aware of the dosages and don't just jump into 50 units. If you have to, even ease yourself up.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (10:10):
We had a patient who did that. Ease himself up and he did great. And then thymosin beta. I love thymosin beta. That's some good clean-up outside the cell. I feel like a thymosin alpha and beta, they're a little baton handoff, they help each other and they're good. You always want thymosin beta before you do alpha and it kinds of builds up on each other. So you start with BPC and beta and then you add an alpha for a little bit and then you cycle through it. And that was 25 minutes a day of the beta.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (10:36):
Aubree Steen, FNTP (10:37):
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (10:37):
And so the thymus gland hasn't gotten a lot of attention over the years. Our [crosstalk 00:10:42] discussion in med school of the thymus probably included about 30 minutes and that's it. And so-
Aubree Steen, FNTP (10:45):
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (10:49):
Why... You know where the thymus is most... I think there's doctors out there that don't even know where the thymus is so yeah. It's above the heart and it shrivels over time. It's really profound in children, then it shows up over time after the immune system has really taken off and then it just disappears almost. And so... But it's still very active in adults, in making the immune system. So if you've got COVID or even not COVID, we use those thymosin peptides for much more than just COVID, although it's gotten more popular with COVID.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (11:20):
Yeah, and if anyone's watching this and they are interested in getting help with COVID, you can always... You don't have to be a patient to get peptides, but you can schedule a free consult with Mimi and just get a nice opinion on, for your case.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (11:34):
Aubree Steen, FNTP (11:34):
So be careful. Don't buy peptides off the black market.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (11:36):
Yeah. [crosstalk 00:11:37] You just don't know what they're tamping it with. Yeah.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (11:36):
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (11:42):
And then last but not least are, of course, infusions for COVID. So we do... We put together a COVID protocol for infusions, even though I didn't do them. I wanted to, but these poor veins have been tortured over time. So I gave him a break and luckily he recovered fine without the infusions. But one of my other friends, who got COVID did the infusions and he's doing better than me, so.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (12:03):
He felt so good. He's like, "I feel amazing." And I was like, "We need to do what we're doing now for your continuous care." The fact that he had COVID he's like, "This is a great two days, Aubrey." And I was like, "I love you." I don't even know why. The fact that you just feel wonderful. Yeah. Those infusions... They're powerful. And I liked the balance that you have too. It's not just full on Vitamin C and Myers and Glutathione and everything. You have the different balance, that's going to be supportive because you can't push your body too far.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (12:29):
Right. And it's not mega dose and it's not too hard. It's smaller daily doses. Actually, that was one of the questions he asked me. He was like, "Why is the glutathione dose so low?" And I told him that we're not trying to detox you. We're trying to maintain your antioxidant potential, not heavily detox and stirrup trouble. So that's actually quite a different infusion protocol than a lot of our other stuff, which is high dose and very powerful. And then last but not least of course is the discussion of the vaccine, which is always a heated debate. But I want to make sure to at least broach that subject and talk about... As most of my followers know, I'm not the biggest anti-vaxxer, but I am well aware that there are harms to everything we do.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (13:07):
Whether it's the car we drive or the lifestyle we live, there's risks and benefits to everything we do. So if you're someone... So basically the vaccine decision is a risk benefit decision for everyone individually. And so what I'm typically telling people is if you're over 80, the risk of having a harm from the vaccine versus dying from COVID is a no-brainer. So if you're over 80, you should be getting the vaccine and not really asking any questions. Are there potential, hidden side effects and harms that we don't even know about yet? Yes, that's a potential issue, but we know of the issues with COVID and we know the mortality rate of over 80. And so it's really a no-brainer that you just need to do the vaccine. If you're over 60, that is my recommendation is still... If you're over 60, you should most likely consider getting the vaccine because the mortality rate is still high enough with over 60.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (14:02):
And then the below 60 crowd is up to you wherever you feel like you are. The big thing I like to warn some of my patients is that they're such on the go people. Go, go, go, go constantly everywhere and that, if you get COVID, you don't get to plan when you get COVID. You just got it and boom, all of a sudden you're quarantined for two weeks, no questions, concerns. Whether you got travel plans, whatnot, and you are toast dead in the water or not dead in the water, that's terrible. But you're down for the count, right? You're quarantined. And so I've warned several of them saying, "Look, you may not want to get the vaccine and I'm sure you'll do totally fine with COVID, but at least if you get the vaccine, you get to choose when you go down because there's many people... We've had several patients who are down for the count and for a day or two after the vaccine.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (14:46):
But at least they knew that... They knew I'm getting the vaccine on this date. And I may down be for the count for a day or two. And then of course they don't have to fully quarantine and they don't have to worry about giving it to their mom, dad, whatever it may be. So there's a lot of decisions that should go into that, whether you get the COVID vaccine or not. And of course, even if you are over 60 or are over 80, if you're doing a stellar job of quarantine, then there's a low risk of getting COVID. So you might be able to dodge the vaccine and dodge all the potential risks and harms. But I always want to warn those people that quarantine has an effect on our noggin. We are social creatures. We are supposed to mingle with our friends and our peers and our loved ones.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (15:30):
So don't let a vaccine scare you so much that you quarantine yourself into a hole and then lose your mental happiness and your joy and stuff for that. That doesn't seem like a win to me. So if you're choosing not to get vaccinated... And yeah, anyway, that's enough on that. So far, I have had my pulse, my finger on the pulse, as far as side effects and things with the vaccine, watching the anti-vax channels and things. And I really haven't been too impressed with some of the hidden side effects and warnings that are coming out with the vaccine. I really do think it's actually turning out to be fairly safe and not too scary.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (16:12):
Yeah. I don't know.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (16:16):
So if you are going to be the person to wait it out, I do believe that luckily it seems like coronavirus has not mutated enough to where it will be one vaccine or one infection eradicates it. So I am hopeful at this point that we will be able to eradicate COVID-19 from the planet and never have to deal with it ever again, because I believe enough people are getting infected and enough people are getting vaccinated that eventually it will just peter out and disappear. And it hasn't mutated enough to where it will be an annual thing like we've had with the flu. That was the big concern in the beginning is that this is the new post-COVID world, but I'm hopeful with the vaccine and they're not talking about not effective for all the strains, they're talking that it's effective for all the strains. That means we could have a post-COVID world that is not COVID annually.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (17:04):
Yeah. Right on. Yeah. That would be [inaudible 00:17:08]. I know.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (17:11):
So I think we've talked enough about COVID. I certainly don't want to beat the horse, but people have been asking what my regimen was and stuff, and I didn't do anything special. I did what's on our COVID action plan. I did the peptides. I skipped the infusions much to my regrets, but I also didn't want to expose my staff to COVID. I would have felt terrible if someone gave me an infusion and ended up getting COVID. So yeah.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (17:34):
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (17:35):
I'm ready to get back to work.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (17:36):
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (17:36):
I miss you, guys.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (17:37):
I know. We miss you too. It's weird. I mean, we're estrogen dominant here, so we definitely need some [crosstalk 00:17:43] thoughts off immediately. But I know you're missed here and it's different. It's not, yeah. It's not the same place. We're thankful you're not exposing us, so.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (17:55):
Are you enjoying my office?
Aubree Steen, FNTP (17:58):
I like your office. I'm not going to lie. I think I like my office more. I know.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (18:02):
So you're telling me that once it's actually set up-
Aubree Steen, FNTP (18:07):
It is set up now. It's beautiful. Aiden loves my office so much. She's sitting in there, but I get the nice... but the window hits me. And I think after being in Portland for so long and not having the sun, that the sun's directly on my face. And so I feel like a little flower and I'm just happy. Okay, that's good. But so when are you done quarantining?
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (18:27):
So my 14 days... So the CDC's current guidelines are actually 10 days from first day of symptom, but we're holding by the 14 days just to be overly cautious. So next Wednesday. So I got six more days of quarantine and I'm going to loosen up my social quarantine a little bit to people that are willing to take a little bit extra risk, but it's 10 days. So my 10 days ends Friday, basically in two days.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (18:47):
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (18:48):
Aubree Steen, FNTP (18:50):
Oh really? Oh, good. We get you back.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (18:53):
Yeah, but I won't be back in the office until Thursday, just in case.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (18:56):
Okay. Good to know. I'll clean up.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (18:59):
Get out of my office.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (19:01):
I'm sorry. Cool. Well.
Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (19:03):
All right. Well everybody follow our channels. Subscribe to our YouTube. Check out our website, go to the oubremedical.com/COVID19 if you want to get the action plan. Hopefully, this will be one of the last discussions we have on COVID because it should be getting better and better here. And we'll see around. Bye.
Aubree Steen, FNTP (19:22):